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early thanksgiving, hurricane sandy. is this rally at the end of the day having anything to do with any anticipation of the jobs report? what are you looking for? >> no, i don't think so. we're looking for almost exactly half. we had 171,000. the consensus is 85 to 90,000. we're looking at half. i understand that, you know, superstorm san difs a horrible event, and i am sure it's going to take some jobs out, but it's going to also be a bit of an excusetrending well. i'll give you an example. wells fargo gallup does a small survey. on hiring, small businesses dropped to the lowest level of opt miimism in four years. it doesn't matter what ben bernanke does. i think his programs have long since not really helped the employment side, but the fiscal cliff is doing obvious damage. that's going to make what everybody knows is coming. we ran out of two years to sell. they're going to go from a twist to outright purchases. it's fully built into the market, but it isn't going to help. the fiscal cliff is going to do more damage t
early thanksgiving, hurricane sandy. is this rally at the end of the day having anything to do with any anticipation of the jobs report? what are you looking for? >> no, i don't think so. we're looking for almost exactly half. we had 171,000. the consensus is 85 to 90,000. we're looking at half. i understand that, you know, superstorm san difs a horrible event, and i am sure it's going to take some jobs out, but it's going to also be a bit of an excusetrending well. i'll give you an...
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you have fiscal cliff, you have hurricane sandy. are you optimistic about what's happening in the economy if you take out the potential shocks? >> i don't think we make any change at all. i think the job market is producing 150,000 jobs per month, that's what we've been producing since the beginning of the year, over the past year, past two years, some months we're a little lower, higher, sometimes seasonal adjustment. if you take this month's number and x out sandy, that's over 200,000. >> that will add some jobs, that's not a fair comparison. >> so 200,000 minus 60 is 150 -- >> so you're right there. >> i don't think the economy has chang chang changed deappreciably over the last year. >> well, i think coming into friday's number, we're a little -- we don't think there's 80,000 worth of impact, might be closer to 40,000 or 50,000. whatever, there's been an impact and i agree with mark's point, 1 in about 150,000 job creation in the economy and i don't know that meaningfully changes. but i would say, if anything, the bias next year
you have fiscal cliff, you have hurricane sandy. are you optimistic about what's happening in the economy if you take out the potential shocks? >> i don't think we make any change at all. i think the job market is producing 150,000 jobs per month, that's what we've been producing since the beginning of the year, over the past year, past two years, some months we're a little lower, higher, sometimes seasonal adjustment. if you take this month's number and x out sandy, that's over 200,000....
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you had sandy. i mean, it may be -- the journal argued it's the least important jobs number in five years. >> i saw that. i do think one thing we can certainly say given that china seems to be stabilizing a bit, we can all discuss europe. greek situation. maybe it's off the front pages for a while. and so if we assume that the jobs picture in the u.s. is not bad, let's assume not bad, it puts even more of a focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations because it becomes even more binding one would assume in terms of good or bad for the market, for the economy. >> kernen had a good point. does strength mean the economy could handle a cliff or is it so good you wouldn't want to tamper -- >> if i wanted to create a recession, what would i do? i would raise everybody's rates. i would cut the unemployment benefit. just trying to think of a theory of how i could cause a recession. i would cut back government spending quickly. >> i would raise interest rates to 20%. >> bernanke ought to join the -- look, i think
you had sandy. i mean, it may be -- the journal argued it's the least important jobs number in five years. >> i saw that. i do think one thing we can certainly say given that china seems to be stabilizing a bit, we can all discuss europe. greek situation. maybe it's off the front pages for a while. and so if we assume that the jobs picture in the u.s. is not bad, let's assume not bad, it puts even more of a focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations because it becomes even more binding one...
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sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming up. >>> and banks be aware. a third of americans would rather get a mortgage from walmart than a bank, even though walmart doesn't offer them, at least not yet. we'll hear from somebody saying offering home loans would be a boone for walmart stocks. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very i
sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming up. >>> and banks be aware. a third of americans would rather get a mortgage from walmart than a bank, even though walmart doesn't offer them, at...
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the blame goes to superstorm sandy. goldman says the party is officially over for gold. >> starbucks at an investors conference will add 1,500 stores in the u.s. over the next five years. wait until you hear what they said about china. >> a big day in media. pandora ceo joins us live later this morning as the stock fell nearly 20% on weak guidance and netflix signs a big exclusive with disney. how much are they having to pay up for that? >>> let's deal with this big deal. as i've been telling you we'll see a lot of big deals -- i was wrong. here we are. freeport mcmoran buying not one but two companies. the combined price if you add it all together gets close to $20 billion. that does include debt. let's go through some of the details. it's somewhat complex. let's start with bigger of the two deals. freeport's purchase of plains. approximately $6.9 billion in total now. it's a cash and stock deal. .6531 shares and 39 bucks a share in cash. that adds up to $50 a share. that's a fairly significant premium when we look at
the blame goes to superstorm sandy. goldman says the party is officially over for gold. >> starbucks at an investors conference will add 1,500 stores in the u.s. over the next five years. wait until you hear what they said about china. >> a big day in media. pandora ceo joins us live later this morning as the stock fell nearly 20% on weak guidance and netflix signs a big exclusive with disney. how much are they having to pay up for that? >>> let's deal with this big deal....
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start first with the impact of sandy. is there one specific automaker that you think will benefit more from the impact of sandy as dealers have to reorder new cars? >> historically, actually trucks do better. they do better because you've got dealers taking care of inventory and you also have people going out that are in the business of basically doing work with trucks and they'll use this as an excuse to get it. you're looking probably at ford and gm on the truck side taking a lot. gm needs that upswing in trucks lig right now. >> how does this get counted as sales? customers may not have the cars yet but dealers are ordering the cars to try an make up for lost inventory. is that correct? >> basically, yeah. the minute the car or truck gets put on the haul-away, whether a rail head or a truck, that's when it transfers to the dealer. when you get down to it, the car companies don't sell cars to customers. their customer is the dealer and the dealer resells them. when you see sales you aren't seeing registrations. as a res
start first with the impact of sandy. is there one specific automaker that you think will benefit more from the impact of sandy as dealers have to reorder new cars? >> historically, actually trucks do better. they do better because you've got dealers taking care of inventory and you also have people going out that are in the business of basically doing work with trucks and they'll use this as an excuse to get it. you're looking probably at ford and gm on the truck side taking a lot. gm...
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no substantive sandy in the jobs numbers. the lack of sandy effect has us scratching our heads, what they said. i just got off the phone with the guy who's the head of doing the numbers, labor numbers at the bls. he walked me through the rather extensibilive process they did fine out if there was any sandy effect, including sampling of businesses in a flood tide areas. >> it was very meticulous. >> i'm pretty convinced they did a good job figuring out if there was an effect and there is no effect which brings us to the numbers which you could believe on face value as much as you can. they'll revise this again. they only come forward with 60% to 70% of the sample. unemployment rate falling 7.7% because largely a drop in the labor force. average hourly earnings up 0.2%. despite positive headlines, xwoeld man sax says we interpret this report as one only slightly better than expected overall given downward revisions and weaker labor force and it does not change our assessment of the underlying strength of the labor market. priva
no substantive sandy in the jobs numbers. the lack of sandy effect has us scratching our heads, what they said. i just got off the phone with the guy who's the head of doing the numbers, labor numbers at the bls. he walked me through the rather extensibilive process they did fine out if there was any sandy effect, including sampling of businesses in a flood tide areas. >> it was very meticulous. >> i'm pretty convinced they did a good job figuring out if there was an effect and...
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now, again, back to hurricane sandy. from the commissioner's statement, the storm we saw happen on october 29th, the next pay period ended on november 12th. the way bls essentially keeps score it says workers have to be off work for the entire pay period to be counted on the negative side. on the household survey side, persons who missed work for weather-related events are counted as employed whether or not they are paid for the time off. we did have a drop in the labor force participation rate, down 0.2 to 63.6%. how did we get to 7.7% unemployment? basically the number of unemployed persons dropped more than the number of employed and there were downward trends in both those categories. lots to chew on. back to you guys. >> hampton, thank you. we are kind of scratching our heads. let's get more reaction from our panel. mark zandi and jared bernstein are here with us. mark, what do you make of this number? we've set this up as numbers were not going to be things we watched closely because of sandy. >> i'd say two things
now, again, back to hurricane sandy. from the commissioner's statement, the storm we saw happen on october 29th, the next pay period ended on november 12th. the way bls essentially keeps score it says workers have to be off work for the entire pay period to be counted on the negative side. on the household survey side, persons who missed work for weather-related events are counted as employed whether or not they are paid for the time off. we did have a drop in the labor force participation...
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how much is blamed on sandy when it shouldn't? >> everything blamed on sandy. that's going to work for a while. once you dig into the details, wait a minute, this isn't all sandy. because the east coast is a very big part of the -- >> obviously oh, yes. >> the economy. >> everybody who has gone through sandy. >> chicago is a big part, texas, california, they weren't affected directly by sandy. so that will come back much quicker if it's going to come back. that's where you have to look, to see what the trend was beforehand. >> okay. now europe. you know, there was a little bit of a -- a confusion this morning when spain asked for a bailout. they're talking bank bailout, country bailout, new program. rates are down. i've seen many stories, if this is really going to be a positive rates being down, we have to really draw in more global investors. do you think that will happen ultimately? >> ultimately, i do think it will. any time europe gets pushed to the background, i'm kind of pleased. as long as their banking system isn't going to affect ours, i think we can
how much is blamed on sandy when it shouldn't? >> everything blamed on sandy. that's going to work for a while. once you dig into the details, wait a minute, this isn't all sandy. because the east coast is a very big part of the -- >> obviously oh, yes. >> the economy. >> everybody who has gone through sandy. >> chicago is a big part, texas, california, they weren't affected directly by sandy. so that will come back much quicker if it's going to come back. that's...
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some of that is attribute knowledge to superstorm sandy. an estimated quarter million vex were destroyed. those numbers will be out this morning. it would only say that it is speaking to, quote, interested parties. but delta air lines is involved in those sdgzs. virgin is the second largest airline at heath row. >>> and lenny dykstra will be sentenced today. he was found to have hidden and stole sports memorabilia other items that were supposed to be part of a bankruptcy filing. >>> the game of political chicken, we were looking to rise above the partisan politics and trying to get something done. david walker, ceo of the america comeback initiative, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies, you guys have been on for a while and we've talked about a lot of things. steve, just 1:30 ag ago, you made a point talking about the bush tax cuts. and i said the tax cuts have been near and dear and you said at least bush was smart enough to know that we couldn't afford them so they were sunseted. >> so they were sunseted. >> that may happen. in
some of that is attribute knowledge to superstorm sandy. an estimated quarter million vex were destroyed. those numbers will be out this morning. it would only say that it is speaking to, quote, interested parties. but delta air lines is involved in those sdgzs. virgin is the second largest airline at heath row. >>> and lenny dykstra will be sentenced today. he was found to have hidden and stole sports memorabilia other items that were supposed to be part of a bankruptcy filing....
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particularly on the consumer side as well, because of sandy. so i think in the meantime, until we get a resolution, i've said before, i think you're going to be in a trading range. and i think into the strength of the market, you want to take some off, never bad to have some cash. but on these pullbacks, i think you want to be buying, because i actually think the economy is getting better, particularly when you look at housing, consumer, even auto and aerospace, all those data points point to 2013. >> are you buying the market on any pullback? >> i like the santa claus rally with josh and would be raising cash. i think the risk in the markets further on the down side than the up side. but when you see some real pullbacks, buy the stock if you like it. >> morgan stanley's top market watcher has been bearish all year and not ready to change his mind. adam parker joins us live. welcome back to halftime. good to see you. >> how are you, scott? >> 1167 is where you thought we would be at the end of the year. you'll be far short. why aren't you willi
particularly on the consumer side as well, because of sandy. so i think in the meantime, until we get a resolution, i've said before, i think you're going to be in a trading range. and i think into the strength of the market, you want to take some off, never bad to have some cash. but on these pullbacks, i think you want to be buying, because i actually think the economy is getting better, particularly when you look at housing, consumer, even auto and aerospace, all those data points point to...
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jobless claims coming in, down and this number should be essentially clean of sandy effects, so finally a clean read as to the claims aspect. but it doesn't look like, jim, that we are set for a lower open today. >> carl pointed out that maybe there's some room between sides. but, look, yesterday was one of those days, show a lot of americans don't even know about the fiscal cliff. paychecks are going to go down, a million layoffs in the defense industry. no one seems to care right now. it's bad. >> you know what we have going for us? the grid, december 17 announced -- on a seasonal basis, they have reiterated once again that it doesn't have the demand to be sold year round, but starting a week from monday. >> i don't buy that. i think they do it because whenever they have mcrib, they're just fighting traffic for mcrib. there are places in the world where the mcrib is on the menu all the time. in case you're there on your vacation. >> i'm learning here all the time. i'm always learning. >> switch from the bacon cheese-inator. [ bell rings ] . >> celebrating the ground breaking of hotels
jobless claims coming in, down and this number should be essentially clean of sandy effects, so finally a clean read as to the claims aspect. but it doesn't look like, jim, that we are set for a lower open today. >> carl pointed out that maybe there's some room between sides. but, look, yesterday was one of those days, show a lot of americans don't even know about the fiscal cliff. paychecks are going to go down, a million layoffs in the defense industry. no one seems to care right now....
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estimation now trading in the low 50s, moves to the upper 50s, it's digesting the negativity surrounding sandy and its geographic location well. they've got the cash in hand to fund this. this is a solid company. >> dennis gould is sitting at 1700, not talking about a special dividend here but is it going to pay dividends to own gold? >> i think owning gold in dollars has been a bad trade for a while. i'm bullish for gold in non-u.s. dollar terms, in yen terms and if you own gold in yen terms over the course of the last two months you are profitable. somebody owns gold in dollar terms is down several points. gold is nothing more than another currency, crossed against other currencies and there's nothing spectacular about gold, it's just a currency. >> call it a slick slide for oil, crude falling 2% nearing its lowest level in three weeks. for more let's go to jackie deangelis, the host of "futures now." >> crude having a tough day, the question is why. look at this chart dollar strength is causing major pain for oil, our question today is there more to selling than just the dollar rally? let's
estimation now trading in the low 50s, moves to the upper 50s, it's digesting the negativity surrounding sandy and its geographic location well. they've got the cash in hand to fund this. this is a solid company. >> dennis gould is sitting at 1700, not talking about a special dividend here but is it going to pay dividends to own gold? >> i think owning gold in dollars has been a bad trade for a while. i'm bullish for gold in non-u.s. dollar terms, in yen terms and if you own gold in...
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i'm worried about the sandy. you've got to keep interest in the end. insurance companies, got to keep capital free. >> i wanted to mention, we mentioned this on friday, the chinese have been aggressive, setting records in terms of merger and acquisition volume. we talked about this on friday, take a look across the borders from china, that helps the story. that $15 billion deal did get approved from the canadian government. they do own some assets in the gulf of mexico. although that is not expected to be problematic at this point. but take a look at what happened in the stocks on friday. that, after we received word there would be a statement from the canadian prime minister. that freaked a lot of risk arms out. did not have a lot of conviction here. thinking, why is it going to come out with a statement if they're approving the deal. you come out and say something if you weren't. but they did come out with a statement and indicated perhaps we won't see any more of these large deals. comp stock is up, as you might expect. >> you heard this deal will b
i'm worried about the sandy. you've got to keep interest in the end. insurance companies, got to keep capital free. >> i wanted to mention, we mentioned this on friday, the chinese have been aggressive, setting records in terms of merger and acquisition volume. we talked about this on friday, take a look across the borders from china, that helps the story. that $15 billion deal did get approved from the canadian government. they do own some assets in the gulf of mexico. although that is...
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of sandy jobless claims relative to katrina. if we don't have that chart -- there it is, great. it goes up and now we're in the down. it may pop back. but the trouble is that the big surge there is probably in the week of -- or is going to affect the week of the employment survey. >> the last week. >> and now, guys, if you have the next one back there, i don't know if you have it, you can see there what we show there is we're looking for only 80,000 jobs on friday. 95 in the private sector. that's a big jobs -- it might be hurricane related, but it could also be cliff related. there's these two things just backing up what joe said, folks, we've got enough to worry about without the stuff that we could probably fix and move on, there's enough going on. you can see that we're going to be substantially below the six-month average that we've been running there. and that shows that, you know, we were not robust to begin with, and this is why guys at the fed are concerned about things like this. if you're going 3% or 4% gdp, you have
of sandy jobless claims relative to katrina. if we don't have that chart -- there it is, great. it goes up and now we're in the down. it may pop back. but the trouble is that the big surge there is probably in the week of -- or is going to affect the week of the employment survey. >> the last week. >> and now, guys, if you have the next one back there, i don't know if you have it, you can see there what we show there is we're looking for only 80,000 jobs on friday. 95 in the private...
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kansas city southern should benefit from the auto rebuild that's needed in the wake of hurricane sandy. can't get this stuff to america fast enough. united states fast enough. thanks to the strength of the economy, the increasing volumes with declining costs. the gross margins are expanding, how much do we love that in a rail? however, only affects about 18% of kansas city southern's revenues. they do have some coal exposure, something that's crushed a great many railroads, we know that because we have backed away because of the coal. but they have something the other railroads don't have, consistently high growth, not that low single digit stuff and not susceptible to the cyclical nature of coal or the ongoing war between natural gas and coal in the fight to be fuel for american utilities. and that's why i'm naming it my new favorite railroad. even over and above union pacific, which is always been my favorite. don't get mad at me, union pacific. i used a great union pacific calendar, but it's december. that one's off the wall. anyway -- kansas city southern also saw some exposure to
kansas city southern should benefit from the auto rebuild that's needed in the wake of hurricane sandy. can't get this stuff to america fast enough. united states fast enough. thanks to the strength of the economy, the increasing volumes with declining costs. the gross margins are expanding, how much do we love that in a rail? however, only affects about 18% of kansas city southern's revenues. they do have some coal exposure, something that's crushed a great many railroads, we know that because...
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some of that is sandy. you can't disentangle it. i'm sure it would have been better if it weren't for the uncertainty. we saw how bad it was in the summer of '11 and it will be the same now. >> i very much agree with ian on this point, that the uncertainty is associated with the fiscal cliff is at least a percentage point on the fourth quarter. and could be more than that. it's just a lurking weight on the business sector. and if we are going to get this growth, i think we've got to have a little bit more certainty on taxes, on regulation, and the trajectory of fiscal policy going forward. >> what i hear you both saying, though, and you're talking about spending issue, and not worrying so much about that, but i also hear you saying it would be a big mistake to raise taxes. >> absolutely. yeah. >> but the top 2%, is that the least deleterious people to raise it on? >> yeah, it would be. but right now i'd prefer not to raise taxes on anybody. but if you're going to do it, then the people at the lowest propensity to consume -- >> you d
some of that is sandy. you can't disentangle it. i'm sure it would have been better if it weren't for the uncertainty. we saw how bad it was in the summer of '11 and it will be the same now. >> i very much agree with ian on this point, that the uncertainty is associated with the fiscal cliff is at least a percentage point on the fourth quarter. and could be more than that. it's just a lurking weight on the business sector. and if we are going to get this growth, i think we've got to have...